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Gear ratio question

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#1 ·
I've seen lots of reference to the US fiesta getting the fueller gear ratios and the Euro fiesta getting the driver's gear ratios. I've driven both versions and know this is the case but haven't been able to find the actual numbers. Does anybody have the actual ratios for each box....1st through 5th and final drive?
 
#2 · (Edited)
5-speed manual
1st 3.846
2nd 2.038
3rd 1.281
4th 0.951
5th 0.756
Reverse 3.615
Final drive 4.070:1


PowerShift™ 6-speed automatic
1st 3.917
2nd 2.429
3rd 1.436
4th 1.021
5th 0.867
6th 0.702
Reverse 3.507
Final drive 3.895:1 for gears 1, 2, 5, and 6.
Final drive 4.353:1 for gears 3, 4 and R.

Source

European 5-speed manual:
1st 2.82
2nd 1.508
3rd 1.414
4th 1.108
5th 0.878
Reverse 3.615
Final drive 3.824:1

Source
Final drive 1.6 Diesel 3.370:1
Final drive Econetic 1.6 TDCi 3.055:1


Asian 5-speed manual:
1st 3.583
2nd 1.926
3rd 1.281
4th 0.951
5th 0.756
Reverse 3.615
Final drive 4.250:1

Source

Everything is Googled, so it's not 100% truthful. If it's true, then the Asian gearbox is interesting as it shares everything from the US box, except 1st and 2nd gear and final drive! Also I'm doubtful about the Eurobox. Found similar figures for an older Fiesta somewhere to add the 3rd digit which is missing from the source-link. But also 1st and 2nd were way off (or maybe: more accurate? as I find the figures a bit too low).
 
#4 ·
From the Shop Manual

Powershift

Gear Ratio Final Drive Overall Ratio
Reverse 3.508 4.35 15.270
1st 3.917 3.89 15.254
2nd 2.429 3.89 9.459
3rd 1.436 4.35 6.250
4th 1.021 4.35 4.446
5th 0.867 3.89 3.375
6th 0.702 3.86 2.735

Computer Control with electro-mechanical actuation
Two piece aluminum housing design
Six (6) discrete stepped forward gears and one (1) reverse gear
Dual Output shafts with two separate final drive ratios
Full ball and roller bearing design for all gears and shafts
All gears are bevel cut for improved NVH characteristics and power transfer
All gears are in constant mesh for no loss of torque during the shifting process
All cast construction of shift fork/linkage mechanisms


5 Speed


1st gear 3.85
2nd gear 2.04
3rd gear 1.41
4th gear 1.11
5th gear 0.88
Reverse gear 3.62
Final drive 3.82
 
#5 ·
I think the terminology must be tripping me up. To my old school gearhead brain, "final drive" is the same as the "differential". There is obviously something here that I don't understand. I eagerly anticipate the arrival of a shop manual (whenever they become available) so I can edgimacate myself :)
 
#7 ·
Thanks. I've seen that before. One feature I noticed is that they say "Neutral idle allows the clutches to disengage under deceleration". That's one feature that I'm very glad seems NOT to be in the production cars. When I let off the gas, I want to slow down, not coast.
 
#8 ·
I have my suspicions that the 2nd gear ratio is wrong in the listing for the Euro 5 speed. Even the Puma (and the Racing Puma) which have very close gears, show a 1.93:1 2nd gear. When you do the calculations, the 1.51:1 2nd gear shows an incredible rpm drop from 1st gear, and only a 400 rpm (or so) drop from 2nd into 3rd -- when shifting at 6000rpm. I know the Ford literature shows this 1.51 -- but I suspect they made an error.

Eurofordfan
 
#9 ·
LMTech, you imply that there is a Workshop manual for the North American Fiesta... Has Helms Publications yet produced such a manual? Also, you indicate that the gear ratios for the manual transmission are shown in the manual. They look weird in that the lower gear gear ratios are what I thought were being used in the North American model -- but the upper gear ratios are what I thought were being used in the European close-ratio gearbox models....???

Eurofordfan - Vancouver, Canada
 
#10 ·
LMTech stands for Lincoln Mercury Technician and the workshop manual is a Ford website that has all service information that has a password for Ford,Lincoln and Mercury service personel
 
#13 ·
Most modern auto trannys are programmed to shift for best fuel economy. If you want the engine to shift at higher speeds, the first rule of thumb is to move your right foot closer to the floorboard or (2) put the shifter into "L".

I usually use the first rule, but I've noticed that the tranny seems to behave more responsively with more miles on the car. Of course, it could all be in my head... :)
 
#14 ·
gear ratios from Ford EU Fiesta 2008 media release

===== 1.4AT 1.6 Ti-VCT
1. Gear 4.203 2.82
2. Gear 1.498 1.508
3. Gear 1.000 1.41
4. Gear 0.726 1.11
5. Gear n/a 0.88
Reverse -3.62 -3.62

Final drive 4.203, 3.82

source Ford Fiesta
 
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