To Wait for the 2012 Focus...or to not to?

[mrbirdman330]

Eh they technically meet our ''standards'' just they don't meet ''insurance standards'' is the problem but enough of that. I actually prefer smaller engines unless I want performance, though I'll refrain from buying an SVT Focus just because I would rather have the ST badge if we get it. Other wise I would love to see a TDCi Ghia Focus Sedan because I really want to get a diesel over standard petrol (Gasoline). More than likely we'll see the standard 2.0 when really I could take a 1.6L I4 Ecoboost with five speed manual transmission. I've really started stepping back from performance aspects in automotives.

[blueflame]

I really think Ford will price the Focus higher than what they were last generations, possible starting at $18k and topping out over $23k. You will probably get way more tech for your buck though, as Ford isn't afraid to give you plenty of options unlike some competitors.

[mrbirdman330]

Yes the new Focus is going to be priced higher, its a given. And up your numbers there in price because the new Fusion (Mondeo) comes out it will be given a higher price as well.

[FiestaFan]

Originally Posted by blueflame

I really think Ford will price the Focus higher than what they were last generations, possible starting at $18k and topping out over $23k. You will probably get way more tech for your buck though, as Ford isn't afraid to give you plenty of options unlike some competitors.

Hopefully the base price isn't that high. I'd expect something like $16,995, though if there's gonna be a stripped-out S sedan the base price may be closer to the current Focus (low 16s), just without the discounts. But the real meat of the range will start at about $18-19k for sure.

[mrbirdman330]

Think again, the new Focus should base out at around 18K and fully loaded expect around 25K or higher depending on what is what for options. Also include there will be a full Electric Version available from the start as well.

[Chibana]

Originally Posted by mrbirdman330

I doubt we'll get a multiple engine option more than likely we'll still be stuck with the 2.0 Liter engine option and nothing else while Europe gets the wide selection of engines to choose from.

I have no doubt we'll be getting a smaller displacement EcoBoost motor offered in the MkIII Focus. Ford is aiming to go this route for pretty much their entire fleet to meet stricter fuel efficiency and CO2 emission requirements (both in the U.S. and the rest of the world). The fact that they're testing the 1.6L EcoBoost would indicate that's the one for the Focus. I wouldn't be surprised if the 2.0L NA engine goes bye-bye after the 1.6L has been in production for a little while. Maybe they'll continue to offer both.

[mrbirdman330]

They're testing in Europe not North America whole different court in many terms that I won't spend an hour listing. You forget the Fiesta gets a wider range of engine options in Europe including Diesel which is what most likely the Euro Focus will have while we have one engine option on the Fiesta a 1.6L engine and Six Speed Power shift with Manual as secondary option. Europe gets a 1.4, 1.6, 1.25 with a 1.4 and 1.6 Liter Diesel Engine, Five Speed Manual, and Four Speed Automatic with I think now coming soon the Power Shift. More than likely we'll be getting a 2.0L Ecoboost and standard 2.0L engine unless they mate the Ecoboost to a manual transmission which is most likely what will happen. We'll have one engine option unless they throw out a performance model from the get go but as of right now its safe to assume we'll get one engine option like always.

[azulejost]

I find it difficult to understand that people are unhappy we don't have the 1.25 or 1.4 options in the Fiesta in the US when the 1.6 is certainly not proclaimed to be excessive in power. The lack of a 4-speed automatic certainly is a good thing considering we have the PowerShift in its place.

Sure, it'd be nice if Ford or any other manufacturer would offer their European diesels, but judging by some of the issues VW is having with their CRD TDI, we may not want to deal with the problems even if they were offered.

The European Focus gets a 1.6L EcoBoost in 148 and 177 hp varieties while we get the 155 hp 2.0L. The performance version that has been promised seems fairly certain to be a variant of the 2.0L EcoBoost which is making 237 hp in the Mondeo. I'm not sure what you were referring to for the transmission on the Focus, we've been told both the PowerShift and a 6-speed manual will be in the US so that shouldn't be an issue.

We're not going to get the diesel options nor will we see dramatically low hp small displacement units. The US is just not such an urban-dense area to justify 0-60 times over 11 or so seconds. Perhaps the 1.6L EcoBoost will eventually join the lineup as it should retain reasonable acceleration numbers and fuel economy. Smaller than that and the low CO2 emissions of a tiny EcoBoost may look nice, but the need to constantly extract near maximal power from such a unit would likely result in reduced fuel economy.

[golf strom]

Originally Posted by azulejost

I find it difficult to understand that people are unhappy we don't have the 1.25 or 1.4 options in the Fiesta in the US when the 1.6 is certainly not proclaimed to be excessive in power.

Because you don't "get it". others further along the learning curve do.

The European press (along with many owners) have raved about the 1.4L in its quality, economy and flexibility during everyday use. If you can get 10% more mpgs with the 1.4L and have the manual tranny to go with it, that's the ticket for me. As a matter of fact the 1.4L is rated higher overall compared to the 1.6L engine.

I've driven many cars available in the USA with 1.5L engines or less and almost all of them ver quite good, the only thing that is a little different is that you do need to rev them a bit more, but because they are so flexible it is no strain on them

We're not going to get the diesel options nor will we see dramatically low hp small displacement units. The US is just not such an urban-dense area to justify 0-60 times over 11 or so seconds.

You probably haven't been around on this earth that long...if you go back a couple of decades ago there were LOTs of small displacement engines available in the USA...from Chevy, VW, Toyota, Mazda, Honda...of 1.4L or less and the ironic thing was that almost everyone of them were rating very highly for durability, economy, flexibility, ect....

Never say never....many other makers like Mazda are bringing a number of diesel choices the market will increase in the number of diesel powerplants available in the near future.
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[mrbirdman330]

To sum up Europeans prefer fuel economy and don't give a ****e about if their precious little car can make it from zero to sixy in less than eight seconds. I'm like that, I don't open up my focus unless I absolutely have to, IE dense traffic on the interstate and the flow is about twenty miles an hour faster than the speed limit. Americans are the exact opposite and its agrivating because I prefer smaller engines. I enjoyed the small engine in my wifes Kia, the fuel economy was out of this world at interstate speeds.