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A parking break? o,0
 

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Does the manual transmission also get a hill-holder function? Did not see this toted so I'm guessing no.
A true manual transmission driver knows how to take off on an incline without rolling back. It isn't that hard to do. Relying on such technologies in my opinion is simply promoting laziness and a lack of confidence in ones skills.
 

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A true manual transmission driver knows how to take off on an incline without rolling back. It isn't that hard to do. Relying on such technologies in my opinion is simply promoting laziness and a lack of confidence in ones skills.
He asked if it has a hill holder, not your opinion on how it promotes laziness.
If you are going to put out your opinion, at least take the time to answer his question as well.....
 

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A true manual transmission driver knows how to take off on an incline without rolling back. It isn't that hard to do. Relying on such technologies in my opinion is simply promoting laziness and a lack of confidence in ones skills.
I originally felt that it was a silly piece of tech for unskilled drivers when I had my 2006 WRX STI, but after getting used to it on my 3-series I absolutely love it. I also like to feel a bit elitist about driving a manual, but after actually having it on a car and experiencing it in the daily grind, it is a fantastic feature, and would certainly help encourage more people to buy the manual (such as the family member I'm hoping will pick up a 5-speed Fiesta) and perhaps slow the ultimate demise of a true row-your-own-gears transmission choice.

Also it's great for most people since 90% of manual transmission drivers I see (non-enthusiasts) burn up the clutch whenever they take off normally, so must absolutely fry it on a hill.
 

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Does the manual transmission also get a hill-holder function? Did not see this toted so I'm guessing no.
No. the automatic has "hill start assist" but the manual does not. the 2011 Fiesta owners guide talks about hill start assist and shifting from D to P or P to R and so on.
 

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Good to know, thanks.

I guess even the 2010 Mazda3 which is the class-leader on the next level up doesn't have it, but woulda been nice given the array of other tech on the Fiesta!
 

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I haven't driven a manual transmission in a car in a couple of years, but the parking brake does come in handy.
 

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Today I drove the company car - a VW Passat 2.0 turbo diesel wagon manual. It lacks a normal handbrake but a button instead! It took a little while to get used to the hill holder effect. Hmmm, interesting technology, but I have driven without one all my life and will continue to do so.

(Apart from that, I found the Passat an appliance. It was like sitting in a La-Z-Boy with a steering wheel. It was quiet, it was comfy, has all creature comforts, but there just wasn't any involvement at all! Good for account managers who spend most of their time on the road, not so good for driving enthusiasts like me.)
 

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To clear any confusion, I'm talking about a feature where the vehicle will hold the brakes for 2 seconds when it senses the car could be rolling backwards to allow the driver to let out the clutch and give it gas without being forced to compensate for the rolling backwards but letting the clutch out quickly/giving it more gas than necessary.

A parking brake is indeed standard on all cars, be it manual or electronic. :)
 

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Today I drove the company car - a VW Passat 2.0 turbo diesel wagon manual. It lacks a normal handbrake but a button instead! It took a little while to get used to the hill holder effect. Hmmm, interesting technology, but I have driven without one all my life and will continue to do so.

How do you do ebrake turns in the snow??
 

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When driving tractor trailer you're taught to rely on the Johnny Bar incase you fear rolling back.
 

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To clear any confusion, I'm talking about a feature where the vehicle will hold the brakes for 2 seconds when it senses the car could be rolling backwards to allow the driver to let out the clutch and give it gas without being forced to compensate for the rolling backwards but letting the clutch out quickly/giving it more gas than necessary.

A parking brake is indeed standard on all cars, be it manual or electronic. :)
I'm indeed talking about a feature that I can let go of the foot brake without the car rolling forward or backward. Normally I would apply hand brake when taking my foot of the foot brake when I want to switch to the throttle, then play with the throttle and clutch to prevent rolling off.
 

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My parents had a '38 Studabaker that had a hill holder! Us manual transmission people use the parking brake if we need to. Automatic people are used to the automatic doing that for them, the new twin cluch auto needs to have the hill holder.

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My parents had a '38 Studabaker that had a hill holder! Us manual transmission people use the parking brake if we need to. Automatic people are used to the automatic doing that for them, the new twin cluch auto needs to have the hill holder.

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The new twin clutch auto has a hill holder!
 

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Hill holder for the manual is one hand on the handbrake, and getting the timing right so the car doesn't roll back as the clutch comes out. I find it to be a fun game. :)
 

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Yep. Or letting the clutch slip just enough to stay stationary. (of course doing this too often would fry your clutch).
But as I wrote earlier - the company car (Passat) has manual, but no hand brake whatsoever!
 

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Didn't know my bimmer had hillstop till I was on a very steep hill and .....wait a second, this thing didn't rollback at all. Next hill, yep...no rollback for a couple seconds or until I hit the gas. Amazing feature. I don't care what you guys think about learning how to drive a stick, I have been driving em for years and sure I can do fine without hillstop, but you try driving around San Francisco where there are a million and one stop signs right at the crest of hills so steep all you see is sky from your car a few more degrees and you'd be going straight up. Probably all the people saying it's not needed are from Florida or similar where raising your hand over your head makes you taller then any hill there and even then...a "hill" is rare. Imagine 8 out of ten times you stop, you're on a hill like this. I use to drive through those in an old VW with a bad clutch. Fun memories, but it was a nightmare at the time.




Just strange they have it on an auto. I thought it was made for manuals.
 

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Does the manual transmission also get a hill-holder function? Did not see this toted so I'm guessing no.
No hill start assist with the 5-speed manual. use the Parking Brake if needed.
 
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