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Oil Consumption (can you say LEMON)

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My fiesta seems to be going through oil on a regular basis and I have been working with ford on this but I'm starting to lose my patience.

This is the 5th attempt at ford doing an oil consumtion test.
The fisrt two times were just bs, they were just scribing the dip stick which to this day has no marks on it.
The next 3 had the following results.
test 3 - 1,000 miles - a little over a half of a quart
test 4 - 1,500 miles - a full quart
test 5 - 1,500 miles - 24 oz
(if I try to go a full oil change (5,000 miles) I have added as much as 2 quarts and still been a little low on the stick.

After the 3rd and 4th test they told me to bring it back after 1500 miles so they could check it. After the 5th test they said thanks we topped it off for you, with no other instruction. I called the next day to talk to the service guy that did the other test and he said he would get back to me as did my customer service manager on the ford side. It has been over a week with no response. What are my next steps?

And yes, my speedo is off (they say it is within standards), the transmission did only move in reverse (fixed with a update to computer), the door seal leaked (fixed after 3 attemps), the stereo speakers were making noises even with the radio off (eventually just went away), and finally the gas gage is messed up (stil not fixed, made many attempts).
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Not exactly true, the PCM can monitor the power balance of each cylinder, it won't give an exact compression ratio but it can tell the computer if one cylinder doesn't have the same pressure as the other 3.
Not to be difficult but exactly how is it going to do that?

It can track fuel and spark but how is it going to track anything else?

I've never seen/heard anything about the PCM having the ability to measure the performance of one cylinder against another on any Ford.

You have two cam sensors, one crank sensor a knock sensor, coolant temp sensors but none of those can monitor a single cylinder.




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I'm not saying they are responsible by any means my wife ruined that car in 2 months by not maintaning it properly, I still don't think it should have used 4 qts of oil in a 4 mnth 7500 mile stretch tho. (I even wrote reminders in the letters I sent her while I was gone:rolleyes:)
I don't know. I think the dealership has some culpability in this issue. True she should've been checking BUT, she did do due diligence by asking Ford to change oil. Their refusal gave her a sense of false security or confidence. I mean, if the dealer says don't bother then they are the experts and they should know! Had they changed oil when requested then the chance of finding a potential problem would've manifested itself to a greater degree. But the fact that they refused, tells me they are responsible at least in part.
If I were you I would pursue this with Ford and/or the dealership. But go directly to the dealer management not just the service manager. Insist on a joint meeting and see how they react. I suspect management has no knowledge of the situation and you want to get them together (dealer manager and service manager) before they have a chance talk to each other.

Good luck.
The only way they could refuse to do the oil change is if it's part of a prepaid maintenence schedule because they have to follow the schedule if they expect to be reimbursed.

I could seee them talking her out of it if she was just driving in and paying for an oil change but I've never seen a dealership actually "refuse" customer pay work.

On the other hand they should have offered to at least check the level of the oil, especially "if" she mentioned that the car was using oil.



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Not to be difficult but exactly how is it going to do that?

It can track fuel and spark but how is it going to track anything else?

I've never seen/heard anything about the PCM having the ability to measure the performance of one cylinder against another on any Ford.

You have two cam sensors, one crank sensor a knock sensor, coolant temp sensors but none of those can monitor a single cylinder.




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Go out into the dealer shop where you work and ask one of the guys to show you a power balance test, I have done them in the past when I worked for Ford, with the car running the Ford scanner(been so long I forgot what it is called) can show you the balance of each cylinder compared to the others. I don't know how it does it but it does.
Go out into the dealer shop where you work and ask one of the guys to show you a power balance test, I have done them in the past when I worked for Ford, with the car running the Ford scanner(been so long I forgot what it is called) can show you the balance of each cylinder compared to the others. I don't know how it does it but it does.
Found a description of the procedure, it doesn't appear that it can actually determine the cause of the power imbalance though. It just shows that there is an imbalance.

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"To check the engine's power balance the spark plugs can be shorted out or disconnected one at a time so the cylinder will not fire. Then the change in engine speed is documented and compared. I prefer to use an automotive meter with a RPM inductive pick up as opposed to a scan tool.

If all of the cylinders are producing the same amount of power the engine RPMs will drop exactly the same amount on each cylinder that is canceled. The cause of unequal power balance can mean a problem in the cylinders themselves, as well as in the piston rings, valve train, head gasket, fuel system, or even the ignition system. "

"A power balance test is performed quickly and easily using an engine analyzer, because pushing a button can automatically or manually control the firing of the spark plugs.

Some vehicles have the cylinder balance test built into the engine control computer. This test is either a part of a routine self-diagnostic operating mode or must be activated by the mechanic through a scan tool. "

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Yeah the engine can't tell what the problem is but if the damage to the cylinder wall was bad enough it could tell that, that cylinder wasn't putting out the same power as the rest, but it probably wouldn't throw a CEL but it could store a code.
I doubt a score in the cylinder wall would be enough to cause a drop in power.

I'd imagine the car would be billowing smoke before that happened, If I recall correctly the allowable variance between cylinders for compression is approximately 25% and it should take significant damage or wear to get to that point.

Edit- Here's the exact text relating to allowable variance in compression.

"The indicated compression pressures are considered within specification if the lowest reading cylinder is at least 75% of the highest reading."


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I wonder how long folks are waiting for the oil to "drain back" into the pan to check the oil level? The manual says to wait only 5 minutes, but that's BS. If I check my dipstick after only 5 minutes of actual driving (not just idling in place a few seconds) it will show half a quart low. If I let the car sit 30 minutes to an hour, it will show full. If I based my readings on a 5 min drainback time, I'd have my crankcase overfilled by half a quart.
The car has no way to measure compression. It can sense misfires and knock but not compression.
Actually some cars can sense a problem with compression. Misfires are read by measuring acceleration, or lack of acceleration due to a misfire. Low compression in one cylinder all the time can be picked up. Also excessive clearance on a worn out big end rod bearing will be read as a misfire. Not making this up my Sub. Forester did the worn rod/misfire.
Actually some cars can sense a problem with compression. Misfires are read by measuring acceleration, or lack of acceleration due to a misfire. Low compression in one cylinder all the time can be picked up. Also excessive clearance on a worn out big end rod bearing will be read as a misfire. Not making this up my Sub. Forester did the worn rod/misfire.
Also ALL engines use some oil or they would wear out rapidly. When a piston is up the cylinder wall is splashed with oil. When the cylinder moves down the oil control rings remove most of the oil leaving just enough to not wear out the piston and all of the rings.
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