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I'm sure there is a pilot bearing or bushing. It supports the input shaft when the clutch is released.

Well, technically the pilot bearing is not a part of the transmission. so cventrice is correct.
Nope, no pilot bearing in the Fiesta. The transmission input shaft isn't even long enough to reach the crankshaft. None of the Ford four cylinders in the last 20 years or so have used a pilot bearing.

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"Clips" was my word for the "press fit on a ball" Something else no one is mentioning so I will be the idiot...what is a "RaceTech" Fiesta and he makes it a point of mentioning "5 speed"..is this something in thye mix as well?? With the word "Racr" what else was messed with on this car and exactly what is its pedigree???
"Clip" would indicate a removable component or at least a movable component of the assembly. Some clips are contained on the assembly, but lift out of the way to install. I would consider that a captured clip. A press fit is created by sizing two components accordingly to provide a fit condition. The bottom of the cable does have an integrated retention feature which could be considered a retention clip that allows the ball stud to enter the cable end easily and then expands once the ball is seated. The expanded section is a smaller diameter than the ball, but larger than the ball stud, allowing the cable to be retained.

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Nope, no pilot bearing in the Fiesta. The transmission input shaft isn't even long enough to reach the crankshaft. None of the Ford four cylinders in the last 20 years or so have used a pilot bearing.

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I know toyota fwd 4 cyls don't use a pilot brg. I was curious about fords also.

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"Clip" would indicate a removable component or at least a movable component of the assembly. Some clips are contained on the assembly, but lift out of the way to install. I would consider that a captured clip. A press fit is created by sizing two components accordingly to provide a fit condition. The bottom of the cable does have an integrated retention feature which could be considered a retention clip that allows the ball stud to enter the cable end easily and then expands once the ball is seated. The expanded section is a smaller diameter than the ball, but larger than the ball stud, allowing the cable to be retained.

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Does he have your old car??
 

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I'm sure there is a pilot bearing or bushing

Agree, you as well sometimes don't know what YOU are talking about :rolleyes:

Nope, no pilot bearing in the Fiesta. The transmission input shaft isn't even long enough to reach the crankshaft

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yes, it is my old Fiesta.

Any thoughts on the slave cylinder needing to be bled or replaced?
If the Focus is any example I'd look at the clutch master cylinder before the slave, the Focus is notorious for clutch master failure. My car is on it's third one.

The Fiesta clutch master is actually part of the clutch pedal assembly and looking at Fords stocking levels it doesn't appear to be a real troublesome part.

As for bleeding the clutch, there's virtually no way to get air in the line unless the system has been apart for some reason. Has it been apart? If so then bleeding it might be the place to start.

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the slave cylinder (clutch, gearbox, ect.) has not been apart, at least while I owned it. I recall bleeding the clutch master cylinder on the Focus a few times after track events. The Fiesta only had a single lap on a track during it's time with me, and not even up to speed. There just isn't a lot to go on for an IB-5 that is hard to shift. The gearbox is pretty much rock solid too. It has an extensive history in Europe and the Fiesta rally cars, non-R2's, use the stock IB-5. I am doubting it is the actual gearbox. Installation of the shifter? Doubting that as well. There isn't much to get wrong on the install and it has gone a number of years in the car. With any manual gearbox, there are differences in the way the gear shifts feel as the temp changes. A cold morning gives a much different feel than a hot afternoon with the car up to temp. Worn cable? Possible. I do remember my friends with SVT Contours always messing with the cables. My brother had to replace his cables on the SVT Contour he owned. A worn cable at 60k miles? Questionable. There are a lot of manual Fiesta owners and this is something that doesn't come up very much. I don't even recall Focus owners with the IB5 having the issue.
 

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Yes, I have Bryan's 2011 Fiesta ;) (hence the moniker 'Racetech'. I need to find a 'RT' icon for the hatch that looks like the Fiesta ST icon.). Plus, he sold me his 2015 Fiesta ST wheels (and they look spectacular!). The car will see more autocrossing/track time in the next year than when Bryan owned it over the last 4.

It doesn't make sense that it's the master/slave cylinder because the actual transmission shifting goes into gear without grinding or issues. It just takes some muscle when the problem is occurring. I'm going to get some pictures of the linkage this weekend. The couple of things that bother me are what looks like a missing circlip (may not actually be the case) and the arm that moves on the transmission is actually rusty.

Curt Rosenstengel

P.S. Will be looking for autocross part suggestions soon. Sway Bars??
 

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Nope, no pilot bearing in the Fiesta. The transmission input shaft isn't even long enough to reach the crankshaft. None of the Ford four cylinders in the last 20 years or so have used a pilot beari

-Steve
Hmm, Escorts etc. up to 2003 at least had pilot bearings. The transmission is the same basic design. How is the input shaft supported and holds the clutch plate in line ?
 

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Hmm, Escorts etc. up to 2003 at least had pilot bearings. The transmission is the same basic design. How is the input shaft supported and holds the clutch plate in line ?
You are correct, the Escort does list a pilot bearing.

The Contour/Mystique and Focus never used a pilot bearing, the end of the shaft isn't supported. Maybe Ford figured since the shaft is fairly short that it didn't require the extra support.

Lots of manual trans Focus' out there with the MTX and Getrag and no issues I'm aware of due to that lack of support and that includes cars making in excess of 600whp.

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Note to self, clearcoat the shift linkage on the ST this weekend. ;)

Curt, has the shifter needed more and more effort to move it since taking delivery, is it related to temp changes, or was it fine and then changed to being difficult? The feel of the shifter did change based on temperture. On a cold morning, the shifts felt like they needed more effort than they did when the gearbox was warm or if the ambiant temp was high. I would not catagorize the shifts as hard, but having a different feel. Usually a few miles down the road and some shifts would warm the gear oil and it would feel normal. The difference in shift feel was minor, but did exist.

Any chance you can post a picture of the linkage at the transmission? I know it isn't easy to see with the intake and battery in place.
 

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Bryan,

It started happening about 2-3 weeks ago. It doesn't seem to be a problem with air temp, but transmission/engine temp. It's great, easy to move when the engine is cold. Once the engine/transmission are warmed up, it takes a noticeable more muscle to move shifter front to back. At first the dealer said nothing was wrong (because the car had cooled down when they finally test drove it). I told them to drive it for 15-20 minutes and they were able to recreate the problem. Their solution was to lube the linkage joints at the transmission.

I will get some pics of the linkage this weekend. I may send them to you to post since I am not allowed to post pics on FF yet.

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Bryan,

It started happening about 2-3 weeks ago. It doesn't seem to be a problem with air temp, but transmission/engine temp. It's great, easy to move when the engine is cold. Once the engine/transmission are warmed up, it takes a noticeable more muscle to move shifter front to back. At first the dealer said nothing was wrong (because the car had cooled down when they finally test drove it). I told them to drive it for 15-20 minutes and they were able to recreate the problem. Their solution was to lube the linkage joints at the transmission.

I will get some pics of the linkage this weekend. I may send them to you to post since I am not allowed to post pics on FF yet.

Curt
Post the picture elsewhere ie dropbox and link it.
 

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Bryan,

It started happening about 2-3 weeks ago. It doesn't seem to be a problem with air temp, but transmission/engine temp. It's great, easy to move when the engine is cold. Once the engine/transmission are warmed up, it takes a noticeable more muscle to move shifter front to back. At first the dealer said nothing was wrong (because the car had cooled down when they finally test drove it). I told them to drive it for 15-20 minutes and they were able to recreate the problem. Their solution was to lube the linkage joints at the transmission.

I will get some pics of the linkage this weekend. I may send them to you to post since I am not allowed to post pics on FF yet.

Curt
that is odd considering the normal is harder to move when cold, easier when warm. What you are reporting sure does rule out ambiant temp changes and gearbox oil warming up.
 
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